Usually, we get to see celebrities get uglier over time (we're looking at YOU, Britney). Which is why when the opposite happens, we get excited. It's always nice when an ugly duckling turns into a swan – hey, even if we're spiteful bastards, who the hell would argue against having more hot chicks in the world? So without further adieu, we present to you Hollywood's 5 Hottest Ugly Ducklings...
Demi Moore has been bangin' for basically her entire career (we'll forgive her the brief period of time when she was all muscular with bad implants). Which is why it's shocking when you stumble across a picture of a young Demi. The picture of her as an adolescent that's floating around makes her look like a particularly fugly escapee from an Eskimo internment camp. A 12-year-old Ms. Moore looks like blind man's jail bait. Yick.
But now? Dude, she's in her 40s and still banging. In fact, I think I'm gonna pull my pants down right here, at work, and rub one out. I think my boss'll understand...
Scarjo is on a shortlist of the hottest young celebrities. The combination of a fuck me face, a Bettie Boop bump and some ginormous taters makes her the total package. Oh, and she has DSLs for days.
This wasn't always the case. A 14-year-old Scarlett Johansson starred in "The Horse Whisperer," and back then she didn't look like prime pickins. She looked like a dolla sto' ho'. In the "Then" picture above, she sorta resembles this retarded girl I danced with at my cousin's Bat Mitzvah. Rory was her name, I think. Her breath smelled like cheap Manishevitz and paste. Mmmm....
Drew Barrymore, more than anyone else on this list, aged into a hottie for the world to see. So we all pretty much know that wasn't always the case. No one was watching "ET" and wondering when the chubby little comic relief kid was gonna turn 18. Too bad for them, because Drew grew into her body rather well.
Even when she's looking kinda old or gross these days she still blows her "duckling" self out of the fucking water.
Celebrities usually spawn hot kids. This isn't always the case (Demi Moore and Bruce Willis' daughter Rumer Willis is of course the modern-classic example) and, for a while there, it looked like Kate Hudson (the daughter of Goldie Hawn and "comedian" Bill Hudson) was gonna be on that fuggo list.
But then her head finally grew into her ears and she became the hottie we all respect, occasionally jerk to and, when our girlfriends insist on us seeing a romantic comedy, quietly tolerate.
There's a lot that's not on the level with Michael Douglas' wife, Ms. Catherine Zeta-Jones. I mean, does ANY ONE really believe the bitch is only 38? Does anyone understand how she's so dark and has an accent and yet claims she's from Wales? And how DID she fit under all those infra red laser beams in "Entrapment"?
The fact that Zeta Jones has always been pretty hot is also not on the level. Because it's not true. That picture of her as a Mongoloid should be proof enough. Bitch's teeth look ready to abandon ship. And she looks like she's inherited the same recessive, Eskimo genes that the young Demi Moore had. Youch. Thank goodness she grew up to be hot. Otherwise she would've never fulfilled her lifelong dream of marring and shtupping a rather old Michael Douglas.
Here now, my Top 5. This is a very arguable list, but again, if there’s a woman out there that you want to see in a bikini, do a Google Image Search before you start bitching at me. Chances are that she’s already out there, waiting for you to ogle her. Here we go.
Those lips. Those eyes. The way she pronounces the names of countries. The argument over who the hottest anchor in America is will rage until the apocalypse, but Ms. Bartiromo gets her due any day of the week.
What's not to like about Rachel Nichols? She's a redhead, she probably knows more about sports than you do (and gets paid to talk about it), and she always manages to keep her body cleverly hidden under business suits and pinstripes. Rachel, for the good of the ESPNation, hit the beach, will you?
For my money, Elaine Benes was the greatest female character in television history. It was just a perk that she was played by one of the most quintessentially perfect 90’s actresses of all-time. Sure, she’s a little older now (and her hair isn’t nearly as awesome), but I think we all look back on the time we spent with Elaine quite fondly.
Rock hard abs, long, slender legs and enough toughness to kick your ass. These are the qualities we look for when we scour the programing of ESPN2 late at night, hoping to find some variation of women's tennis, surfing or, heaven forbid, beach volleyball. Whether or not they can dominate their respective games, these ladies will always have us tuning in and hitting the ol' record button on the Tivo.
Who wouldn't want to be the catcher for this sexy softball pitcher? Well, if you are afraid of a 90 mph softball flying at your face, then a date with Jennie Finch may not be for you. She's got the arm of Mariano Rivera and the body of Barbarella. What more can I say?
There is nothing hotter than a chick that likes to go fast-really fast. Her celebrity sometime outweighs her prowess on the track and she's often mentioned alongside the word "overhyped," but at least she can drive a stick.
Forget about Anna Kournikova. Forget about Jelena Dokic. Not even Maria Sharapova has the goods to compete with this doughy-eyed Slovakian tennis goddess. Tennis shorts have never fit so well on a European rear - and that's saying something.
Not much is known about surfer Missy Gibson, other than the fact that she is smokin' hot. We do know this: she loves to swim, she's got amazing eyes and she spends most of her time in the sun. We can only imagine that she is fantastic in bed as well.
Nothing says hot like a sexy FHM covergirl who has made her living in a sport that requires her to be completely wet all the time. In turn, she keeps us all in a similar state. One thing is for sure, she can tie us to the bedpost with all of those Olympic medals any day.
Every year, we get a new wave of hotties who come out of nowhere and dominate our computer screens with their steamy pictures. This year, we had plenty of new applicants for the new "it" girl, especially when past babes come crashing down (see: Britney Spears). Luckily for you, we've selected the top 5 so you can spend less time searching and more time gawking.
If you’re gonna cast someone as Supergirl, they’d damn well better be jaw-droppingly hot. Laura Vandervoort does not disappoint. When Otto Binder and Al Plastino first dreamed up the admittedly unimaginative character of Supergirl, they probably had somebody like Vandervoort in mind: she’s a blonde beauty with a definite “girl next door” cheerleader-esque quality, except this time “next door” just happens to mean “Krypton” and therefore means she could kick your ass eight ways from Sunday if you tried anything. Cute, pretty, but with the ability to rip a man’s testicles off with her first two fingers: that is the essence of Supergirl, and therefore the essence of Ms. Vandervoort.
Coming in as the new Nuts magazine girl, Kayleigh had big shoes -- or should I say, big bras -- to fill. With past babes like Lucy Pinder and Michelle Marsh laying the Nuts legacy down, Miss Pearson needed to bring her A game; well, needless to say, she brought it and then some. Not only did she increase her bust size (from B to DD), she showed herself to be an excellent gymnast -- a huge rack and the ability to put her legs behind her head? Checkmate, Lucy Pinder. Checkmate.
When Victoria's Secret let Gisele Bundchen go, people weren't sure if they were going to be able to pull yet another jaw-dropping super model out of nowhere. Well, I don't know how they did it, but Miranda Kerr fills the hole left by Miss Bundchen’s absence pretty damned well. Combining the mystique of Adriana Lima with the class of her predecessor, Kerr channels a universal attractiveness that even Bundchen couldn’t quite achieve. She appears classy, but sexy; mysterious, but charming – in other words, pretty much everything a lingerie model should be.
In heated competition with Rose Byrne and Kelly MacDonald for the “Hottest European Chick Who Can Fake a Flawless American Accent” award, Michelle Ryan kicked ass and took names for eight episodes this year in the Bionic Woman update. As Laura Vandervoort was to the all-American cheerleader door type, Michelle Ryan is to the dignified, mature, cold-but-beautiful English woman. As mentioned earlier, however, you’d never know she was English from watching The Bionic Woman – I’m not sure why chicks from the UK faking US accents is so damnably alluring, but it most assuredly is.
Everyone knew Megan Fox would have to be on this list. Seemingly coming from out of nowhere, Fox hasn’t actually done that much this year, yet her strength as a new wave hottie is undeniable. Hell, even my 67 year old grandmother called her hot – something about Fox’s looks transcends age, gender and sexual orientation. We already know she’s got one of the best “do me” faces in showbiz, but one literally cannot understate the woman’s attractiveness; in a film full of explosions, car chases, and transforming goddamned robots, she was still the most memorable (and visually spectacular) thing in it.
Bad plastic surgery happens when someone feels pressure to look good and they have more money than brains. Which pretty much describes the majority of celebrities out there.
Some of the following don’t quite look like human beings anymore, which would be tragic (this is voluntary! they didn’t have to look like this) if it weren’t so stupid. Most of these people were genetically blessed to begin with, which makes you wonder why they would risk their good looks just to hold off from aging a tiny bit longer. And many of the younger celebs on this list have absolutely no excuse at all, as good diet, exercise, and a healthy lifestyle would have fixed most of any flaws they felt they had.
Here are the five worst celebrity plastic surgery disasters we could dig up, some of which are pretty damn horrifying:
Luckily for Jessica not all bad plastic surgery is permanent. She talked about her lip enhancement, saying “I had that Restylane stuff … It looked fake to me. I didn’t like that. But… it went away in, like, four months. My lips are back to what they were. Thank God!”
Surgery botched: Face lift and god only knows what else
This definitely deserves a before shot, just in case you are forgetting how normal Melanie Griffith used to be:
She’s only fifty years old, and she’s pretty much ruined her face. If I didn’t know it was her I would have honestly pegged the person in the first picture as a woman in her sixties.
Surgery botched: Skin lightening, nose jobs, face lifts, etc. etc. etc.
Could it really have been anyone else? It’s incredible to forget how absolutely normal Michael Jackson looked back in the 70’s and 80’s (attractive even!) before turning into the sideshow freak that he is today. The guy is absolutely looney tunes so it’s kind of a shame that he was always able to find a doctor to do what he wanted. Everyone should have told him no after a certain point, which was probably in about 1985.
Not too often you see a “legit” (using that word a little loosely) actress get breast implants that look like giant beach balls, but Spelling was willing to buck the trend. The money probably could have been a little better spent elsewhere. I hear French doctors have made some real advancements with facial transplants.
Sunday’s post on intelligent female celebrities managed to make it to the front page of Digg with over 100 comments, many of which were complaining about the lack of inclusion of different celebs. There were definitely some worthy people left off the list, so I figured an honorable mention list was in order. So here we go!
Background: One of the most famous models in the world, was featured in massive Pepsi and Diet Pepsi marketing campaigns in the 90’s, hosted House of Style on MTV from 1989 to 1995. Evidence of brains: Crawford graduated from DeKalb High School as valedictorian with a 4.0 GPA, and had a scholarship to Northwestern to study chemical engineering (although she left after one semester to pursue her modeling career). Why she’s hot: The mole. Duh. Pretty clearly the secret to her wealth and fame.
Background: Actress in the 1930’s and 40’s. One of the first actresses to show her breasts on film. Also one of the first actresses to fake an orgasm for the camera. Meg Ryan owes this woman quite alot. Was Delilah in Cecil B. DeMille’s Samson and Delilah. Evidence of brains: Lamarr coinvented the first form of spread spectrum, which is the basis for pretty much all modern wireless communication. Why she’s hot: Lamarr never had trouble finding guys to fawn over her. She was married six times. Also was arrested for petty shoplifting in both 1965 and 1991 and there’s just something hot about a klepto.
Background: Started out as a model before getting her break in the film Tootsie. Received an Oscar as Best Supporting Actress for her role in The Accidental Tourist. Evidence of brains: Very talented musician, plays the piano, flute, drums, and organ. Member of Mensa. Fluent in Swedish. Why she’s hot: A smile so big you kind of wonder if she has more teeth than the average human being.
Background: One of the biggest actresses in Hollywood today with over twenty feature films under her belt. Recently won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role as June Carter Cash in Walk the Line. Evidence for brains: Attended Stanford University as a literature major before leaving to pursue her acting career. Why she’s hot: Was she annoying in Legally Blonde? Oh yeah. But you have to admit that she was also pretty damn hot.
Background: Television actress best known for her work as Winnie Cooper on The Wonder Years. Evidence of brains: Graduated summa cum laude from UCLA with a major in mathematics. Has an Erd?s-Bacon number, which some people might find attractive. Author of the upcoming book Math Doesn’t Suck: How to Survive Middle-School Math Without Losing Your Mind or Breaking a Nail. Why she’s hot: McKellar was the actress whose absence seemed to cause the most consternation amongst diggers. Countless 12 year old boys in the early 90’s went to bed every night wondering why Winnie Cooper couldn’t live on their block.
What is it that makes celebrity bands so incomprehensibly bad? One popular theory states that there's only so much room for artistic talent in a person, and that these celebs' highly developed primary talents simply leave no room for musical talent. On the other hand, the CRACKED Theory of Celebrity Bands holds that these conceited assclowns started performing only to satisfy their crippling need for attention. Whatever theory you subscribe to, there's one thing we can all agree on: The following 10 performers should throw all of their musical equipment into a wood chipper.
10. Juliette and the Licks, Celebrity Member: Juliette Lewis
This band almost doesn't suck, and this little diddy below is a perfect example. It kicks off with a swell-looking dame in tit-hugging spandex screaming about how she street-fights people-file that under "pretty motherfucking sweet." But then comes the chorus, and like Juliette Lewis' career around 2001, everything falls apart. Not only does she rhyme the central phrase "it's a mad, mad world" with the equally stupid "it's a mad, mad girl," but the tune sounds roughly like this time a kid we knew in fourth grade broke his leg playing kickball. So while this song's chorus is enough to condemn them, Juliette and the Licks get some credit for laying down 25 seconds of acceptable song before the contrived ego-boosting bullshit kicks in.
9. The Bacon Brothers, Celebrity Member: Kevin Bacon
Here is why The Bacon Brothers eat shit (musical shit, that is): Kevin Bacon's brother is in the band. (He's very, very bad.) Ironically, if this band consisted of just KB and a backing band (possible name: Kevin Bacon and the Eggz), it'd be more than palatable. Who knew that the star of classic action-thriller Footloose could sing? Well, besides his less attractive, less talented brother?
Wrapping up the "Celebrity Bands That Don't Completely Blow" portion of our list is William Robert Thornton, who's released four albums in the last decade. BBT has some kind-of-okay chops, but there's one significant problem: the man consistently sounds like he's taking a difficult mid-song dump. And judging from some of his past behavior (and the way he just generally seems like a lowlife sexual deviant), he very well may be. Which, of course, is a major problem for a musician (and his audience).
Since 2003, the wife of movie star Will Smith has been leading a double life. Most days, she's either acting sassy in a mediocre mid-budget movie or parading her disproportionately large biceps down a red carpet. But on very rare occasions, she runs around screaming in agony like someone just shoved red-hot poker up her eye socket as a hilarious practical joke. Surprisingly, she found four other non-musicians to follow her around and violently molest instruments as she red-hot-poker-yells into a microphone. Nobody knows what made the seemingly sweet Jada turn to death metal, but we're guessing that starring alongside Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor had something to do with it. That dude's a dick.
The Sharks (or as they're known in the biz, "The Band That Was Named by an 8-Year-Old Boy") are fronted by Dennis Quaid, brother of comedy super-legend Randy Quaid. Fun fact: Dennis Quaid is a grown man who finds it acceptable to wear a Texas Longhorns baseball jersey on stage. There's not much to say about The Sharks other than the fact that, well, they aren't very good. Oh, and that Dennis Quaid might be an 8-year-old boy caught in a man's body.
5. 30 Seconds to Mars, Celebrity Member: Jared Leto
Remember when Jared Leto starred in whiny me-fest My So-Called Life and you wanted to magically jump into the screen and elbow his nose through the back of his skull like that scene in A History of Violence? That's exactly what happens when you watch one of this pompous, make-up-wearing slapdick's "music" "videos." To showcase this band's non-abilities, we decided to go with their Shining-esque video for "The Kill," a song that chronicles the band's trip to an abandoned hotel, in which they make love to each other for days on end, presumably.
4. 30 Odd Foot of Grunts, Celebrity Member: Russell Crowe
The butt of countless jokes, Keanu Reeves' now-defunct side project was a band that, well, deserved to be the butt of countless jokes. The most bewildering aspect of Dogstar's suckitude is the fact that Keanu is only the bassist-a supporting role at best. On one hand, it could mean that Keanu was smart enough to know that he should keep himself out of the limelight. But more likely, it means that he was dumbtarded enough to believe that this jagoff lead singer actually had a good voice. Imagine that: Keanu Reeves is unintelligent and confused about his surroundings. You learn something new every day.
3. The Bruce Willis Blues Band, Celebrity Member: Bruce Willis
Try as he might, Bruce Willis is not an old black man. So why he believes he can belt out blues tunes in a caricaturish old black man's voice-the equivalent of musical blackface-is a mystery. Are we supposed to believe that he looks like a white guy, talks like a white guy and goes through expensive, humiliating divorces like a white guy, but then magically starts singing like a black cartoon character as soon as his embarrassed guitarist starts butchering a John Lee Hooker riff? (It should also be noted that the hypothetical old black man we're talking about has a terrible singing voice.)
It's not unreasonable to claim that Minnie Driver is a talented actress. But it's also not unreasonable to claim that the video below is one of the dumbest pieces of bullshit ever created by anyone ever. And God bless the production team on her last album, Everything I've Got in My Pocket, because they did everything they could to make this audio vomit listenable. And while Minnie's voice may not be the worst on this list, her bland, simple lyrics like "I wanna lay down with you forever" (Forever? You mean I can't stand up to piss?) and melodies that employ about three notes really steal the show. You may be thinking, "But what if this song isn't representative of the other songs on her album?" Well, you're very wrong.
1. Honky Tonk Confidential, Celebrity Member: Bob Schieffer
Oh, Bob Schieffer, you're so adorable with your Southern drawl, your tailored suits and the way you sing like a homophobic asshole. Maybe the most dumbfounding aspect of Schieffer's signature song, "TV Anchorman," is that he's rapping over a country western tune about how he thinks some guy wants to fuck him ("I'm not some Brokeback Mountain dude"). It's not that the notion of another man wanting to fuck Bob Schieffer is that outrageous-let's face it, he's got a shape to him-it's just that most people who perform in public would try to avoid lyrics that are so clearly autobiographical and that basically amount to the singer telling someone, "Hey, I ain't no fag, you fag!" If you're wondering whether Schieffer has enough musical talent or stage presence to redeem a misguided lyric like this one, just watch the video below, and try as hard as you can not to throw your computer through a window.
Too many actresses are believing the line that you can’t be too thin. Please, ladies, eat a sandwich or something at the craft services cart. Here are a special shout-out to ten skinny-ass celebs that used to really turn heads.
Most recently seen in: Run Fat Boy Run Last time she was hot: Mission: Impossible II
There was a time that Thandie Newton was the next Hollywood hottie. Then someone must have suggested that she had some jelly rolls, because she lost more weight than a cancer patient on Atkins. Now she looks more like a zero-body-fat lizard than a celebrity beauty.
Most recently seen in: Ugly Betty Last time she was hot: when the Spice Girls were
Not that I was a fan of the Spice Girls, but I will admit that they covered all the bases in terms of fantasy girls. But the former Posh Spice has lost so much weight that her once sultry figure makes her look like a lollipop - a wobbly head on a stick. I’m afraid her neck is going to snap and her hubby will kick her head around their flat like a soccer ball.
Most recently seen in: Reservation Road Last time she was hot: Requiem for a Dream
Can you believe this was the girl from The Rocketeer? Or Dark City? This buxom brunette starts getting some Hollywood credibility and drops down to a size zero. There’s nothing wrong with losing a little pudge, but when you look like one of the starving children from Sierra Leone in Blood Diamond, something’s wrong.
7. Rachel Taylor
Most recently seen in: Shutter Last time she was hot: Transformers
Okay, I really loved her debut in Transformers. Very few ladies in Hollywood could give Megan Fox a run for the money, especially in a two-hour Michael Bay beer commercial. But in Shutter, this girl looked like she hadn’t eaten since working with Bay. She could make it as an up-and-coming hottie, if she actually ate a sandwich.
6. Kate Bosworth
Most recently seen in: 21 Last time she was hot: Blue Crush
She just beat the house last weekend in 21, and she banged Superman without being mortally wounded, but I just can’t get over the fact she looks like a 12-year-old boy. It wasn’t hard to hide her nipples in the 21 sex scene, considering she’s about as anorexically flat-chested as Jim Sturgess was.
5. Ashlee Simpson
Most recently seen in: 2008 Kids Choice Awards Last time she was hot: 2008 Kids Choice Awards, but still doesn’t look healthy
She was the less-cute sister of Jessica Simpsons, but thanks to silicone, collagen, rhinoplasty and crash diets, she now looks like a supermodel. But that’s not a good thing. It might work for a bulimic supermodel, but for a girl who could have been America’s sweetheart, she looks less like her former self than Michael Jackson does.
4. Angelina Jolie
Most recently seen in: Beowulf Last time she was hot: Beowulf (hell, they can do a lot with CGI)
Not too long ago, I saw a tabloid compare photos of Jolie’s scrawny, veiny arm to that of geriatric Clint Eastwood. And you know what? Sometimes tabloids are right. This once hot chick has gotten way too thin. Have you seen the trailers for Wanted? Give me back the Gia days, baby!
3. Lindsay Lohan
Most recently seen in: I Know Who Killed Me Last time she was hot: Herbie Fully Loaded
Granted, she’s up and down more often than Oprah lately, but let’s blame this on her lack of focus. I saw her nudie shots from New York Magazine. And while I’m impressed with her huge (but obviously fake) knockers, I just can’t get excited about the freckly femme’s whisper-thin frame. She was chubby-cheerleader cute for a while, but just a year or so ago, her weight plummeted, making her scary-thin for a while.
2. Saffron Burrows
Most recently seen in: The Bank Job Last time she was hot: Deep Blue Sea
It’s arguable that former model Saffron Burrows ever really looked healthy. But watching this scrawny, lanky lady tower over Jason Statham in The Bank Job was enough to get her on this list. She made his evil co-star from Transporter 2 look fat. Still, that underwear shot in Deep Blue Sea was pretty nice.
1. Gwyneth Paltrow
Most recently seen in: The Good Night Last time she was hot: Se7en
Anyone who is familiar with me as a film critic knows that I have been highly critical of Paltrow for years. But aside from her inability to act (and so many people’s inability to see that she can’t act), I detest how she is physically wasting away as she gets older. She’s one of those girls that went overboard to lose the baby weight. Now, as she enters her late 30s, that too-thin look is not working for her.
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Scheduling conflicts prevented her from accepting the role as Cher in “Clueless.”
14. Melanie Griffith
Melanie Griffith turned down the role of “Thelma” in “Thelma and Louise.” Incidentally, Michelle Pfeiffer and Jodie Foster were originally cast as Thelma and Louise but had to drop out as pre-production dragged on.
13. Mel Gibson
Turned down the lead role in Gladiator. A role which landed Russell Crowe the Academy Award. Mel also turned down the part of Robin Hood in “Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.” Instead, that part went to a not very belieaveable Kevin Costner.
12. Alec Baldwin
The role of Richard Kimball in “The Fugitive” was originally offered to Alec. After he turned it down, it went to Harrison Ford.
11. Keanu Reeves
Turned down Charlie Sheen’s role in “Platoon.” And really, thank goodness for that. The role should definitely go to someone who can act.
10. Tom Hanks
Turned down the role of Ray Kinsella in “Field of Dreams,” Andy Dufresne in “The Shawshank Redemption” and the lead role in “Jerry Maguire.”
9. John Travolta
Turned down the role of Forrest Gump.
8. Jennifer Jason Leigh
Jennifer Jason Leigh is another of the actresses who landed the role of Vivian in “Pretty Woman” and later turned it down.
7. Tom Cruise
Before Johnny Depp made the role his own, Tom Cruise signed on to play Donnie Brasco in the film of the same name. Tom was also to play the lead role in “Footloose” and ended up turning that down as well.
6. Leonardo DiCaprio
Offered the part of Dirk Diggler in “Boogie Nights” before it was given to Mark Wahlberg and the lead role in “The Matrix”.
5. Julia Roberts
Turned down Sharon Stone’s leg crossing role in “Basic Instinct,” the role of Mary Corleone in “Godfather III” the role of Annie in “Sleepless in Seattle,” the lead role of “Shakespeare in Love” and the role of Lucy in “While You Were Sleeping.”
4. Will Smith
Turned down the role that eventually went to Keanu Reeve in “The Matrix”, and the role of Stu in “Phone Booth.”
3. Denzel Washington
Turned down the role of Curtis in “Dreamgirls”, the lead in “I Robot”, and it’s rumored he turned down the role of “Ray Charles” in Ray.
2. Madonna
I guess we should be thankful but Madonna turned down Michelle Pfeiffer’s role in “The Fabulous Baker Boys.”
1. Gillian Anderson
The former X-Files star was originally offered the role of Bethany Sloane in “Dogma.” She said, “no thanks” and the part wen to Linda Fiorentino instead.
